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Are Financial Stock Valuations the Mirror Image of Tech Stocks in ’99?
The short answer: Yes. Which makes the strongest players, such as Wells Fargo, awfully attractive

Thomas Brown  ( about me )
Posted 02/20/2009
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Think back to mid-1999. I was an analyst at Tiger Management at the time and, like most of my colleagues there, was utterly confounded by the valuations technology stocks had achieved. The Nasdaq composite had risen 22% in the first half alone. Most of us at Tiger thought tech group was wildly overpriced: the best of the bunch, Microsoft, was trading at 36.5 times forward-year earnings. 

But the stocks just kept on going up. Julian Robertson stayed short a basket of names he thought were the most screamingly overvalued until the pain of even-higher prices forced him to cover. From mid-1999 until the end of the year, the Nasdaq (which had already risen by 22% since January 1, don’t forget) rose an additional 51%. By the end of 1999, Microsoft was trading at 62 times 2000 estimated earnings.

That turned out to be the peak for Microsoft, but the Nasdaq proceeded to rise another 26% from the beginning of 2000 until March 10 when, as we now know, the bubble finally burst. Microsoft subsequently fell by 66%, the Nasdaq overall cratered by 78%. 

If you were as negative about technology valuations as I was in mid-1999, you had ample opportunity to look foolish. Do you remember what the bulls were saying?  It was the dawn of a new era. The old metrics didn’t count anymore. The new economy would replace the dynamics of the old economy entirely. Profits were beside the point.

Remember? In any event, we all looked even dumber when March, 2000 rolled around, as the Nasdaq kept zooming.  

Then—pop!—the bubble finally burst and everyone started acted rationally again--and those of us who’d been skeptical all along turned out to be right, if not exactly rich.

You likely see where this is headed. I believe the valuations of financial stocks today are every bit as crazy, albeit as a mirror-image, as tech stock valuations were at the end of 1999. But with a proviso. The financials today face one big uncertainty that technology stocks at the dawn of the decade did not: the risk of irrational regulation.           

If (and right now it’s a not-insubstantial if) bank regulators don’t panic and plug in extreme, irrational assumptions into this new “stress test” they’re concocting for the large banks, I believe the stocks of the best-run, best-positioned banks will rise by three to four times over the next two years and the second tier of large banks will rise by five to ten times.

Look, for instance, at the institution that’s likely the best-managed and best-positioned of the large banks, Wells Fargo, to see what might happen. As I write this, the stock is trading at around at $9 per share, down over 70% from its high in September.  

If you buy Wells Fargo today at $9, here’s what you get:

Great growth. Take a look at Wells’ acquisition-adjusted growth figures (from 6/31/07 to 12/31/08) on the table below, and compare them to those of its big-bank peers (JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, and Bank of America) and a broader list of nine peers (those first three big banks plus BB&T, Capital One, Fifth Third, Regions, Suntrust, and US Bancorp):

                                    Wells Fargo       Large Bank Peers          Top 9 Peers

Earning Assets                    25%                      3%                            7%

Deposits                             13%                      10%                          10%

In addition, in the most recent quarter, Wells’ loan portfolio grew by 2.4% sequentially while average loan growth at the three large banks fell by 2.1% over the same period, and fell by 1.1% at the top-nine peers.

Most importantly, Wells Fargo has shown superior growth in its pre-tax, pre-loan-loss-provision earnings, compared to sharp declines at its peers.

Average Annual Pre-Tax, Pre-Provision Earnings Growth (in Percent)

                                                            Wells         Large       Top 9
                                                            Fargo
    Bank Peers   Peers                 

                                        1 Year             17.4        (60.5)         (47.9)   

                                        5 Year             11.3        (60.4)         (41.7)

An Incredible Franchise. Wells Fargo has the best franchise of the largest banks, in my view. The company is broadly diversified geographically, and has strong presence in some of the country’s fastest-growing markets. Plus, it has broad product diversification, and a strong core deposit franchise. On that last point in particular, take a look at Wells’s average cost of deposits compared to its peers.

                 The Average Cost of Deposits (in Percent)

                        Wells Fargo                   0.91

                        Large-Bank Peers          1.59

                        Top 9 Peer                    1.73

The Industry’s Best Management Team. The country’s big banks are run by some extremely talented management teams. (With some exceptions, of course.) But if I had to pick one as best-in-class, it would be Wells Fargo’s. Chairman Dick Kovacevich  and CEO John Stumpf are well-known and (rightly) respected by investors. In addition, the company’s four senior vice-presidents, Howard Atkins, Dave Hoyt, Mark Oman, and Carrie Tolstedt, are among the best at their positions in the industry. 

A Proven Track Record of Success. When Dick Kovacevich arrived at Wells predecessor Norwest in 1986, he immediately helped lead the company out of a credit hole it had dug for itself, then proceeded to turn the company into one of the great banking institutions in the country. It is a multi-decade, multi-cycle record of success that says a lot about what Wells is capable of in the future. No wonder Berkshire Hathaway is the company’s largest investor.

Conservative Accounting. A hallmark of Wells/Norwest under Kovacevich (and his predecessor, Lloyd Johnson) has been a commitment extremely conservative accounting. This was on display most recently with the approach the company took to accounting for its acquisition of Wachovia, as well as its reserve build for its own loan portfolio in the fourth quarter. Look, for example, at how Wells split Wachovia’s $118 billion Pick-a-Pay residential mortgage portfolio. The company deemed some $60 billion of those loans to be “credit impaired”, and wrote them down by a whopping 41% at the time the acquisition. The other $58 billion, deemed not credit impaired, lately has a 30-day delinquency rate of just 0.1%. Even so, the company established meaningful on-balance-sheet reserves for those loans.

So great growth, great management, an outstanding, multi-cycle track record, and conservative accounting. Yet Wells’s stock today trades at just five times next year’s consensus earnings estimate, and just 2.5 times our estimate of the company’s normalized earning power. Given such a low valuation, it’s not hard to see how the stock could quadruple in just the next two years, once the credit freeze finally thaws. The biggest risk isn’t credit (as we’ve seen, any potential problems have marked down aggressively, and are heavily reserved for), but rather government regulation. It’s possible, for example, that the Treasury’s new “stress test” could be so extreme that it puts Wells’ capital ratio below the Treasury’s new standards. If that happens, the Treasury has said it would inject additional capital via convertible preferred. I highly doubt regulators will view Wells as undercapitalized, but even if the company does have to take a slug of new capital, the upside in the stock price would be limited to two to three times, not four to five times.

Just as there were lots of tech companies with bad business models that were doomed to fail following the bursting of the tech bubble, a lot of banks are doomed to fail now as the credit crisis plays itself out. But the whole industry isn’t going out of business, that’s for sure—even though lately the market lately seems to be pricing it that way. I believe regulatory risk is being wildly overstated. Meanwhile, once the storm passes, companies like Wells Fargo will emerge as stronger and more effective competitors than ever.

What do you think? Let me know!

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James Dailey Posted On 2/20/2009 4:57:55 PM

I agree with Tom on this one - as long as a full blown deflationary credit collapse/depression is avoided. I suspect that the government will print money left and right to try and prevent that and seem well on their way to that goal, but we are talking about government and they surely could come up short. I am probably paranoid with this kind of analysis though, as it has failed so miserably with companies like First Marblehead and others. Good management teams and historical track records in the financial sector during a period of extended monetary inflation mean little once the credit bubble is pricked. I think a better way to buy financials/banks is to buy Berkshire Hathaway, as people are panicking over Buffet's exposure to WFC, AXP and USB as well as the European puts he's written that are now WAY in the money. It may not be a potential 4-5 bagger, but it also is likely a survivor if the printing presses fail - something I am skeptical about regarding WFC.

Kevin Brock Posted On 2/20/2009 5:16:28 PM

Hi Tom, This is more great work from you. Also, it is nice to read a plain vanilla positive article. There isnot enough of it going around. I bought WFC for my own account @10.68 today and represent a slug of clients in it. Keep up the fight. You are one of the great Americans in the capitalist system which is under attack from our own people.(Chris Dodd, Nancy P., harry Reid) the financial system needs many more of the likes of you and Dick Bove. Take care, Kevin Brock William Blair

Ferrari321 Posted On 2/20/2009 5:20:01 PM

You forgot to mention Wachovia's amazing loan portfolio and how underwater all those mortgages are ... prepare for more pain ahead.

mike armato Posted On 2/20/2009 5:54:22 PM

What about bank of america,do you feel they will be a suvivor?

Parkite Posted On 2/20/2009 6:03:00 PM

This reads like your writeups on FMD a couple of years ago........

freedombanker Posted On 2/20/2009 6:07:01 PM

No doubts you are right, Tom. Excellent post. Mr.Market never changes. He is always unable to differentiate price from value. That´s the reason he buys high and sells low. Every company that has a strong and durable competitive advantage is now on sale. Hope many of your readers would exploit the opportunity. Regards

Ferrari321 Posted On 2/20/2009 6:07:39 PM

You forgot to mention Wachovia's amazing loan portfolio and how underwater all those mortgages are ... prepare for more pain ahead.

joe holeva Posted On 2/20/2009 6:29:31 PM

unfortunately, entertainment value (including hysteria) not facts currently carry the day in this biz. cnbc has the most clowns in the circus.

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Barrie Beach Posted On 2/20/2009 8:22:09 PM

Tom, An excellent article in an insane world. Your right the entire banking industry will not go out of business ! What this world needs more of is rational thinking like yours. Barrie Beach Financial Corp. Edmonton, Alberta

NHB Posted On 2/20/2009 11:46:10 PM

Aren't you overlooking the elephant in the room? The very real prospect of nationalization under this administration.

Rajesh Posted On 2/21/2009 1:20:55 AM

Hi Tom, Excellent article. Glad to hear a contrarian view. A well balanced and informative post.

PlanMaestro Posted On 2/21/2009 2:48:14 AM

This kind of bipolar future (busted or obscenely profitable) looks perfect for the use of LEAPS. And not only banks but also credit card companies (DFS,AXP) and retailers. Could you comment on that?

Erich Riesenberg Posted On 2/21/2009 6:20:32 AM

"First Marblehead: Great Growth, Great Value! Time yet again to be greedy when others are fearful" From April of 2007! Good luck!

Jim Posted On 2/21/2009 8:51:15 AM

I agree if the government stays rational...I bought WFC, BAC, HBAN, FAS, UYG the last few days.

rs Posted On 2/21/2009 10:13:54 AM

wells will be natl'ized along with every other bank in this country, due to insolvency

Mike Powell Posted On 2/21/2009 10:53:29 AM

Great presentation. I like all of the big 4 (C, BAC, JPM, WFC). But I think the "best buy" is the one with: the highest reserve ratio on their credit card portfolio, the one most aggressive in selling assets in the last 18 months(non-strategic and toxic), and the one trading at thelowest price to pre-write down cash flow. Your analysis of how these companies rank using these criteria would be helpful. Thanks.

Vineet Posted On 2/21/2009 11:21:58 AM

Tom, what additional information you have now that you did not have in 2nd/3rd qtr 2008 when recommending banking stocks then? Frankly, you will see after this article what you saw after the 2nd/3rd 2008 qtr. Have a good day, Sir.

AGoodBroker Posted On 2/21/2009 11:59:34 AM

Tom, Thank you for a rational, factual post. Let us all hope for the return of rationality in the market, and by other readers. Thank you

eddie fleitman Posted On 2/21/2009 12:36:05 PM

Hi Tom...You called it in 1991 and at that time BAC was your favorite and it certainly performed like you see wfc doing at this time. Being from Mpls how does USB look to you. This one also has in the past been a great bank. Thanks the article is timely.... Eddie

JC Penn Posted On 2/21/2009 1:06:40 PM

Good article ....backed by statistics( albeit not verifyable here). Whlle many of their peers have been hammered justifiably WFC has been trapped in the back wash. Hopefully, positive postings and an effort, by others to seeking facts, will sustain your findings and WFC will be given the respect, in opinion, they deserve.

JAMES Posted On 2/21/2009 1:20:07 PM

GREAT STORY, AND I'M GOING TO INVEST NOW, THANK YOU

marky Posted On 2/21/2009 2:09:51 PM

The big unknown, as you indicate, is government action. Concerning Wells, would not enforced dividend reduction or elimination drive the market price even further down?

moneymakah Posted On 2/21/2009 2:58:34 PM

Tom and his cronies have fooled the readers again. Look at how all of these responses are fawning over Tom's analysis. Instead of going back to 2009, lets go back to 2007. In 2007 Tom was bullish on sub-prime mortgage lending- remember that? LEND, NEW, etc., were some of his picks that clearly turned out to be disasterous. Then there was FMD. Tom loved it in the 50's, then the 30's, and continued to defend it all the way down (present stock price, $.99). He wrote bullish articles on Countrywide. He rode Netbank into Chapter 11. Tom was screaming from the rooftops, as well as on his website, CNBC, and many, many blogs that 7/15 was the absolute bottom in financials. Boy was that another winning call. Perhaps having a healthy bit of skepticism might be beneficial to some of the cheerleaders on this site?

Henry from Cali Posted On 2/21/2009 5:30:59 PM

A well-written article, the problem I have with it is that is doesn't account for how bad the economy could get. If we have a "Normal" recession then you're right on the money but if things spiral down from here they (WFC) could be in reaL TROUBLE . The truth is I bank with Wells for private and business and I agree with you, they are a well-run banking operation but all those people who took the equity out of their homes based on wildly inflated house values and are now underwater and are not sure if they're going to be employed 6 months from now, it worries me bacause this does NOT feel like a "normal" recession. Thete are many definitions for a recession but the one I like to most goes like this: "A recession is a pause or slowdown in normal business activity in an otherwise haelthy economy" and our economy is NOT healthy, not by a long shot. That being said, I did buy WFC stock on thursday when it hit $12.00 then again on friday when it hit $10.00 then another 1000 shares when it hit 9.00 a share the same day. I'm a trader, all I'm waiting is for Geitner to say that WFC has passed the stress test, that should give it a big pop, then I'm out. I will have made more money, percentage wise than all those people who have held the stock for years, maybe decades. The fact that W.B. is a large shareholder is an added bonus bacause he is an adviser to president Obama and it is doubful that they will nationalize WFC when one of their financial advisers of Buffet.

Eric Posted On 2/22/2009 11:56:03 AM

Your'e right on about Wells Fargo. I've been a Wells Fago customer since the 70"s, and even with the past up's & down's, they always treated customer's as a customer. I own very little stock, but I'll buy a little more at this price-range and average out my investment. I still feel like I am part of something, not unlike A.P.Giannini's philosophy for an outfit called Bank Of America, but that changed back in the 70"s when the last Giannini quit the board. Can you say the same know? I like Wells Fargo period, for plain, good old fashioned reasons.

Ryan Wheeler Posted On 2/22/2009 12:05:24 PM

If the economy makes a recovery then of course you will most likely be correct. However, a recovery in the economy is definitely not a given. It seems quite likely that we are in the beginnings of a deflationary depression that is going to last until the excesses of the bull market are finally purged from the economy. If this is the case then a temporary nationalization of many of the major banks in the US will be the least of our worries. In order for us to make our way out of this deflationary spiral we will need to see all of this money that is being printed actually make its way into the economy. For this to happen we will need to turn around the psychology of frugality that is hitting our consumer economy and the world economy so hard right now. If this shift in psychology continues then consumers will be cutting back in a big way for a long time to come which will mean deflation of asset prices, an increased debt burden, and huge waves of bankruptcies. Here's to hoping you're right though! I really like your site and it is not my intent to spread fear. I am simply observing what is happening and noticing what will happen if the trend continues.

businessword.com Posted On 2/22/2009 1:08:48 PM

After reading the article and comments, several things are clear. Tom is a pemabull. He is an optimist. And he doesn't pay any attention to the technicals, which help smart speculators time their trades. There are two kinds of speculators: Those who trade the market and stock and industry groupies who trade their emotions. Market traders make money. Groupies lose sooner than later. Never fall in love with a stock, and never buy a falling knife, which what all financials, including BRK.A, are. People who try to pick the bottom, as the comments below indicate Tom and others have been trying to do, get killed. People who wait for trends to establish themselves may miss big initial moves but they wind up making money because they know how to manage their risks. Tom touts his experience as an analyst, not as a trader. Think about that.

texalope Posted On 2/22/2009 1:38:10 PM

It hink your analogy is incorrect because the tech stock prices never recovered and the financial stocks seem to have crashed from high profits that were largely on paper. I'm sure the prices are low right now but many may not be worth a whole lot more.

Skeptical Jay Posted On 2/22/2009 2:52:13 PM

I thought the best management in its class was "Banker of the Year" Ken Lewis. Oh, don't forget how conservative it is to call delinquent loans 180 days overdue instead of 120 days so that Wells could make the numbers. Fudging numbers is always a sign of good accounts, right? Don't forget how this great management team "stole" all the losses accumulating on Wachovia. Just as Ken Lewis almost certainly overpaid for Merrill, Wells also did for Wachovia. Of course, the original Citi bid had a government backstop for losses associated with the deal whereas Wells Fargo does not. Have you accounted for those losses? of course not. Nobody even knows what they are. If you don't know what losses Wells is going to take, how can you say its undervalued? Great company!

mopedman Posted On 2/22/2009 5:19:10 PM

What you have these days are many buying stocks from their living rooms. Naturally they also try to make themselves more informed so they unwittingly go to the worst place in the world to get their information, the stock sites. Before too long they are at the worst part of them..the comment sections and not realizing who or why this person is saying what he is they listen. To be extra cautious they go to the next site and someone else is saying nearly the same bad things, particularly about banking but are you sure it's someone else? Could it be an anti-globalist....or even http://www.communist-party.ca/...(they speak English just fine)? Is the guy trying to make sure his shorts work and will buy it himself right after? I've posted worldwide for years so I know a lot of their tricks. A combination of the above is most likely what's going on with banking...tending to waste our governments money because if the banks stocks are plummeting..it must be doing something wrong. Right? No, not necessarily any more. This is something different. BTW if you wanted to cause problems with an economy, what would you go after most?

gail Posted On 2/23/2009 11:30:47 AM

Excrllent report. You once said with better knowledge of the facts one can stand against the crowd. If you perceive the political risk to shift to unacceptable, I hope you let that be known.

enuffsaid Posted On 2/23/2009 8:10:33 PM

http://bankstocks.com/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=5229&ArticleTypeID=2

Erich Riesenberg Posted On 2/24/2009 1:09:16 PM

enuffsaid, great flashback.

rodo Posted On 3/4/2009 6:30:25 PM

What happened to Wells Fargo?
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