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Memo To Feds: Stop Meddling In Wells Fargo's Spending Plans
And other banks', for that matter

Thomas Brown  ( about me )
Posted 02/05/2009
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tbrown@bankstocks.com

Did you read about the kerfuffle Tuesday when word came out that Wells Fargo, a recipient of TARP money whether it wanted any or not, was planning a four-day “junket” for its mortgage lenders in Las Vegas? It all went according to the same, depressing script: 1) The media breathlessly reports the meeting is going to happen; 2) Congresspersons bray about how outraged they are that a TARP recipient is frittering away government money on an obvious boondoggle; 3) Wells dithers, then backs down and cancels event.   

That’s too bad. The meeting would have been no waste of money for Wells shareholders—or the government. I know this will sound heretical at a moment like this, but events like the one Wells cancelled yesterday have a legitimate business purpose. This one figured to, in particular. In the wake of the collapse of the housing bubble, recall, politicians and regulators squawked that too many lending officers and mortgage brokers didn’t know what they were doing as they underwrote loans. But here’s Wells, gathering its highest-producing mortgage lenders (who originated $230 billion in mortgages last year, by the way), to teach them (among other things) how to improve their sales and underwriting skills. One would think the government should be encouraging this sort of thing. Remember, Wells Fargo is one of the few mortgage lenders that didn’t self-detonate this cycle. It’s reasonable to conclude that the information imparted to loan officers on these sorts of powwows is one reason why. (Disclosure: I spoke at the Wells mortgage sales meeting last year. I know firsthand how much work goes on at meetings like this.)

But the people in Congress heard “Wells Fargo” and “Las Vegas” and “junket,” and started screaming. Ridiculous.  

This is no way to run a bank. Worse, this second-guessing by the government of how banks spend their money sets a terrible precedent. It’s one thing, I suppose, for the government to be tempted to jawbone the banks about how they should allocate the capital they’ve provided. (Although why Congress is pushing banks to lend more aggressively is beyond me. Too-aggressive lending is what got us into this mess in the first place.)

But the Wells Las Vegas meeting wasn’t a capital allocation decision. It was an operating expense. Wells Fargo has been running these meetings for years, and others like them, and has obviously come to the conclusion that they represent money well spent. Which they do: meetings like this motivate employees, educate employees, and in general help induce them to work harder and smarter. That’s good! Now Congress reacts as if the whole thing is some kind of low-level corruption.  

Crazy. If Congress gets into the habit of trying to micromanage how banks spend their money on a day-to-day basis, it runs the risk of permanently debilitating the system it’s trying to save. Smart, talented people will walk out the door, and the banking system will slowly, steadily turn into a bloated, coast-to-coast version of the Department of Motor Vehicles, only with vaults and teller windows.  I somehow don’t think that’s a resolution to the credit crisis that the public has in mind. The politicians should keep their hands off, and let Wells and other banks have their meetings, and in general spend their money as they see fit.

What do you think? Let me know!

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Silver Bullet 57 Posted On 2/5/2009 3:54:23 PM

Excellant commentary. I was on track to attend my 5th annual conference, as a result of working very, very hard for Wells Fargo and being in the top 1% of performing bankers in the company! Not only are these conferences a recognition for results far above my peer group, but after the conference, we network back into the company and are used to help train and motivate the other staff. This is so far from a "management junkett" that it is even hard to say the word. Bottom line, this Sales and Service Conference is money very well spent. The negative news sharks and clueless legislators are going to create mediocrity in a very well performing company...Wells, as with all banks, had a tough Q4 2008, but don't forget that the company made a significant profit in 2008, while holding the dividends for our stockholders. Feeding the public negative news daily is getting very old and personally, my belly is getting really full of it. Let the employees go about their business of continuing to serve our customers and create stockholder value.

Tom Posted On 2/5/2009 5:52:47 PM

Actually the DMV works pretty darn well. Every year I log into their website, renew my vehicle registraion in about one minute, and receive the new sticker in about three days. Then again, BofA is great online too, but I never go into their branches.

gail Posted On 2/5/2009 5:55:25 PM

I agree with all your comments, but are you advising sell financials because the political risk is to high. On CNBC last week you said you bought State Street into weakness. In these difficult times I would enjoy some investment views mixed in with these important observations. For instance I know Davis is not enthusiastic about MBIA like they were. By the way, thanks for the run. I litened up at 17. Gail

Anonymous  Posted On 2/5/2009 6:39:56 PM

Tom you are right on. Often the "Junkets" that are referred to are meetings with top talent. Its getting out of hand. They may have had legitimate gripes with some of their management or employee "junkets" in some cases; I do not know. I do know though, For example some companies with alleged "junkets" had cancelled (based on Govt pressure) meetings that were for not employees , but for their top Independent Representatives (not employees, but Independent Contractors that were 1099ed) because of the perception. Many of these representatives are independent, top producers and can go anywhere. In many cases the hesitation of not leaving is so they do not have to "repaper" clients, and the possiblility the unit they do business with might be sold, and later get a retention payout, but there is only so long this might last. Put yourselves in their shoes- why affilate with a company that has to cancel a company meeting because its not held at a days in, or cant be held in a city where someone might think they could have fun like Vegas? Any association with a Govt badmouthed bailout branded company is bad. They must be thinking at WF- why affilate with this brand (because they accepted the TARP and are now bullied by the President himself that they should be ashamed to be making profit!)

Erich Riesenberg Posted On 2/6/2009 5:47:19 AM

I am curious how people lke Silver Bullet 57 define "top performer." Is that based on the amount of loans you originate which get paid back, or just the amount you originate? Do you even have access to performance info on your originations? This site is depressing. Missed the asset collapse, wants government money to bail the losers out, wants government to shut up.

Dave Posted On 2/6/2009 6:27:38 AM

Worried about the pennies and missing the dollars.

EricB Posted On 2/6/2009 6:40:56 AM

Two months ago Bank of America announced that they were cancelling their Award of Excellence program for all employees. Under the program, the top 1-2% of employees across all business units received a 4 day trip to a resort location. At the event, there were a combination of team building events, recognition by senior management, and a chance to intereact with other top performers from around the company. The bank also eliminated a related recognition and reward program under which points were awarded for specific actions of exceptional performance. Under the program, the points could be redeemed for merchandise. A top performer under the program might be awarded as much as $1000 worth of merchandise in a single year. The Award of Excellence program likely involved an expense of $5 million. But the elimination of broad based recognition and reward programs for high performing employees is questionable at best.

Banker Bill Posted On 2/6/2009 6:57:28 AM

I work in commercial lending at a relatively small (about $1B) , publicly held, profitable, commercial bank in the Mid Atlantic area that recently declined the TARP money (as you probably know there are several banks in that situation). This was a painful and difficult decision for our senior management team. We are well capitalized, with sufficient capital to grow at a moderate rate. However TARP offered additional capital at below market terms which we could look to possible acquire other, troubled banks, fund a more aggressive organic growth and possible enter other businesses that would provide capital to our market of small businesses. You would think the latter would be beneficial for the economy. We ultimately decided to pass. The deciding factor was open ended additional reporting and regulatory requirements. It could have added another regulatory hurdle to doing an acquisition. While we have no corporate jets or junkets to Las Vegas, it seemed to open a completely undefined can of worms on potential meddling and reporting (you wonder if you could order pizza & beer for an evening meeting without getting into trouble for the misuse of federal funds) The unintended consequence could be our evolving to a two part system-with large troubled banks taking steps toward nationalization and a group solid, more traditional banks operating the old fashioned way of being financed by the private side. Banker Bill

David Carroll Posted On 2/6/2009 7:23:41 AM

Thanks for the lone voice of reason in the crowd Tom. Regards, David Carroll

TravelGuy Posted On 2/6/2009 7:27:06 AM

Right on. And these are the same members of Congress who are considering spending billions of dollars in grant money to cities because no one is using their hotels and convention centers. Gosh, you'd think even they might see the connection here!

dan Posted On 2/6/2009 7:31:31 AM

Well said. What about the Vegas economy? I think could use all the "junkets" the can get right now.

Steve C. Posted On 2/6/2009 7:43:24 AM

(Your system truncated my previous comment. Will try again.) To have the government as one of your (maybe your largest) shareholders will prove to be extraordinarily painful. Though most banks who've taken any risk at all in the past business cycle now have the OCC, OTS, Fed, FDIC and every other alphabet in their face on a daily basis, you ain't seen nothing yet. They will want a seat at weekly staff meetings, offsite strategy sessions (that won't be offsite anymore). Goldman, Morgan Stanley and others who can find a way to do so should redeem the TARP preferreds ASAP. Anyone else who has TARP funds should be planning the quickest path to paying them back.

Lngolf Posted On 2/6/2009 7:51:31 AM

Getting coerced to cancel a prearranged meeting which is paid for out of the Bank's normal Income stream, not TARP funds, is ludicrous especially when the coercers are pork barrel spenders. Mr. Reisenberg's rant sounds like a Barney Frank follower!!

Wounded Capitalist Posted On 2/6/2009 8:13:08 AM

Tom, I agree wholeheartedly. Wells is one of the good guys in this ugly episode. Just like the lame intervention into exec compensation (the only one's who should influence that are the shareholders!) the politicians are playing a very dangerous game. This is not the type of overreach that the framers of the constitution envisioned. Free market capitalists of the world unite!!!

Bob L Posted On 2/6/2009 9:08:37 AM

Interestingly, a number of Senators a gearing up for their own junket. A "security" conference in Munich, Germany. All on the taxpayer dime! The hypocricy is simply amazing.

JoeF22 Posted On 2/6/2009 9:38:34 AM

Are you kidding? Let em teleconference. What nonsense.

treif Posted On 2/6/2009 9:49:16 AM

As the old Real Estate Adage goes-Location, location, location! Would Congress be screaming if the meeting were being held at the RyeTown Hilton? Lot's of meeting rooms for underwriting classes, and no neon for miles. Marketers at banks must catch up to the new reality, that while Vegas will put the broker butts in the seats, it's going to have to be all about the work for a while.

Michael Kayes, CFA Posted On 2/6/2009 10:12:14 AM

Tom, I agree, but I'm not so sure we aren't already past the point of no return with regard to governmental intrusion in the banking system. Once we move in that direction it is very hard to reverse. Not good longer term. MK

VoiceofReason Posted On 2/6/2009 10:26:09 AM

I am surprised by the comments. The government didn't force Wells to back down. They chose to do so. If the event were worth it, they should have gone through with it. Seems like Wells' lack of commitment is to blame. But at the same time: 1. Does it HAVE to be in Las Vegas? No. People see Vegas and question how much work gets done. It is a legitimate question. 2. If banks didn't want all the 3 letter regulators in their face, then they shouldn't have levered up the way they did. Wells says they didn't want to take the money, but their immediate purchase of Wachovia belies that fact. Particularly when they bid the Wachovia price up. 3. How many people here believe that people on state assistence or welfare should be held to certain standards? Why is this any different? You take public money, you have chosen to become a political animal. Bottom line. 4. Wells' performance will be no better than other institutions in a future. Once the gamesmanship around delinquencies stops there and they begin to actually recognize losses, they will be in the same boat. They also didn't write down their MSR's at the end of 08, and will need to 1st qtr this year with the refinance boomlet. To say Wells is being hampered by the gov't is ridiculous. Wells can make whatever decision they want. If they don't need the TARP money, what keeps them from telling the gov't to take a hike? Nothing. Kow-towing to the Fed only proves what we all really know - they need the cash just like every other bank with a significant real estate book.

Doug Posted On 2/6/2009 11:01:03 AM

Although I don't always agree with you, Tom, this time I do -- completely. This is a perfect example of why we can’t have the Congress running the banks, or any industry for that matter. This is not to excuse those banks that have self-destructed. I, too, was offended by outrageous bonuses in those situations where the long term interests of the banks and the interests of those who run them have been completely separated. Self-interest without a culture of self-restraint will always lead to disaster. Banks need to remember that, and so, incidentally, must Congress when it decides how to spend taxpayer money. An important part of a board’s job is to protect the institution from the quite natural selfish inclinations of its executives, and there is no better way to accomplish this than through a solid alignment of their short and long term interests. Frankly, a high priority of any executive worth having would be the careful construction of compensation programs (with active board involvement) that assure such alignment. The disastrous situation faced by many banks today should illustrate why. In the meantime, let’s not punish well-managed institutions. They are our hope in leading us out of this mess.

roanoke Posted On 2/6/2009 11:12:52 AM

Yesterday Obama took his 747 to Williamsburg - less than 150 miles!! That's a junket - Marine one could probably make the trip in 30 minutes direct from the White House!

mark Posted On 2/6/2009 11:44:11 AM

Great commentary... As a top producer at Wells and someone that has attended a number of sales trips... I've never been as motivated to succeed and excel than after one of these "rallys" with my peers... It's a shame outsiders can now tell a company what they can and can't do... where they can advertise, how they can recognize and reward their employees, determine pay... We as a society really need to figure out what WE'RE allowing to happen because one day we'll all wake up and say "where do we live"?!?!?! Waste is waste and we all need to make hard decisions... but to all the sheep that cant think for themselves - there is often more to the story than what is EASY to see...

Malcolm Posted On 2/6/2009 11:48:44 AM

If banks take taxpayer money, they should be under a microscope. They can have their meetings, but they are in a new reality - appearances matter. WF may not have wanted the TARP money, but they took it and this is the price for being a bank and enjoying the depositor protections that keep customers from a run on the bank. WF is now partly a public institution, like it or not.

MRF Posted On 2/6/2009 12:00:12 PM

Why is Wells' 'junket' any worse than the democratic congressmen & women taking a private train to Williamsburg for a retreat - at taxpayer expense? (At least the Republican's didn't spend taxpayer $$.) Why doesn't the media get exercised about that, or about Obama's use of AirForce One to fly from WDC to Williamsburg????? I wonder what THAT cost?!?

anonymous Posted On 2/6/2009 12:04:23 PM

Tom, Thank you for your perspective. It's nice to have an industry expert validate and recognize a historicaly well managed bank like Wells Fargo. I have worked here for 10 years in Mortgage Lending and attended several of these conferences. Several years ago, when no one else in the industry recognized the issues at hand, Wells Fargo introduced to us and have reinforced time and time and time and time again... our comitment to RESPONSIBLE LENDING. We recognized that it would cost us volume and market share, but that it was and is and always will be the right thing to do. The right way to operate. So yes... quite a bit of important initiatives come from these sales conferences and the return to shareholders, ultimately improved... Including now the taxpayers who own shares.

Amazed Posted On 2/6/2009 12:40:50 PM

Bottom line is most of these congressmen have no interest in fixing anything. They simply see these times as a great way to advance their careers thru media headlining.

Glen Posted On 2/6/2009 12:52:20 PM

If i am not mistaken Obama and those same lawmakers who were wringing their hands just took a retreate after work a whole 2 weeks. Where is the outrage about that misappropriation of tax payers dollars???

Retired Banker Posted On 2/6/2009 1:11:00 PM

Right on! If we are going to stop junkets let's start with the congress!

Phantom Gremlin Posted On 2/6/2009 1:17:22 PM

I agree with your commentary, but not with "talented people will walk out the door". Where will they go? There are very few financial job openings right now. So will these people become plumbers? Community organizers?

BobP Posted On 2/6/2009 1:50:43 PM

YES, and what about all the hard working Americans whose taxes are bailing out these companies who in actuality are paying to have their own jobs taken away. You heard me. Every time a major corporation cancels a meeting or convention, hundreds of American, Union and Non-Outsourceable jobs are being taken away because of “a perception”. Let’s start with all the people who work in the Hotels and Convention centers. They pay their taxes. Now add on all the Technicians, AV Personal, Stage Hands and Trade Show Workers. They pay their taxes. Now, how about all the Marketing and Promotion folks and the Creative Teams. Hey don’t forget the Limo Drivers and Taxi Drivers. They’ve all had their hard earned tax dollars go to help out keeping these companies afloat, yet now they’re all waiting in unemployment lines looking for help themselves because of the ridiculous Media coverage and tight sphincters of our elected politicians. True, it cannot be business as usual anymore, but what’s next … Hey, they bought paperclips with tax dollars”!

Liz Posted On 2/6/2009 5:37:23 PM

I only wish you would have emphasized that Wells, like other top banks, were not given tax payer dollars but rather forced to sell preferred stock in the company. Paulson made a very good investment in Wells Fargo and the first of quarterly dividends of $327 million are scheduled to be sent to the US Treasury next week. Why don’t media outlets report those facts?

Mary C. Posted On 2/6/2009 6:32:15 PM

Congress yells bloody murder if banks and corporations spend money on meetings held at posh vacation spots, while house democrats have no problem spending taxpayers' money for a "retreat" at posh and expensive Kingsmill resort in Williamsburg, VA. Yet another example of the double standard rampant in Washington!

Hornfan Posted On 2/6/2009 6:34:50 PM

My understanding is Wells didn't want the TARP $$, didn't need the TARP $$, but for whatever reason had to take it. I don't know the in's and out's, but it's a solidly run organization. MSNBC and Lou Dobbs need to get the facts before they report bogus information. What a sad display on their parts...

metal27 Posted On 2/6/2009 6:38:48 PM

Who says the banks haven't already been nationalized? WFC should aim to repay the TARP money ASAP and get the feds out of the executive suite.

proud of wells Posted On 2/6/2009 8:49:38 PM

What I have not seen in any of these posts, or any of the media coverage, is that these trips are NOT for the senior executives. These "incentive" packages are for the normal, common worker, who strived to work above expectations and qualify to be invited to this meeting. Personally, I am a former Wells employee who was laid off due to bad management and the closure of a non-producing facitily. Bad for me, but smart for Wells. That indicates to me that Wells just might know how to manage a company. I still, however, have friends, who are hard working and in the 30-60 K salary range that did all the right things -- for customers, for strategic partners (e.g. other departments within Wells) and for the economy...by writing good loans and ensuring data integrity and no fraud existed in mortgage applications (which, I might add, often was part of consumer provided information, and not the part of an originator, processor, or underwriter)..... OK WF cancelled all "incentive" trips that were already paid for, had been hosted for 20 years, and were aranged and paid for in advance of any TARP funds. Did anyone check the balance sheet to see if TARP was used for these trips, or were they already planned for with return on investment money and revenues that were earned and gained because of GOOD EMPLOYEES??!!!! I have been quite upset about a lot of the "golden parachutes" and extravagent bonuses paid to senior level executives. Just as angry as any true blue American is today. BUT THESE INCENTIVE PACKAGES WERE FOR THE COMMON WORKER WITH 2 KIDS, A SPOUSE, AND A MORTGAGE, who worked hard in an attempt to provide a weekend of some fun and reward for a YEAR of hard work. Maybe it was the only vacation these hard working people would have this year, due to the already bad economy....... Oh well, let the media dictate how Main Street views Wall Street. I will never hear media reports the same again. For all the things that have upset me about the economy and bad business

proud of wells Posted On 2/6/2009 8:52:46 PM

continued.................. practices, the forcing of Wells Fargo to cancel "junkets" that involved a teller making 25k a year.......GIVE ME A BREAK. Really.......But then again it may be senior management at work....if canceling the trips for the little people increases the bottom line of the company, then the stockholders will be happy, and stock values will rise, and those little people may see portions of their retirement begin to grow again! If Main Street knew the people who had been invited to these incentive trips, knew of their wage scale, of the work ethic they posessed....Main Street would be outraged to find the trips had been cancelled. Here is a company that has offered positive incentives....only to be shot down because, once again, of the bad apples in our collective banking cart.

Tom Stimson Posted On 2/7/2009 9:42:57 AM

I agree and feel that business travel is currently getting a very bad rap from a lot of the press. There are two issues - companies need to gather face to face to train, communicate, and grow; and business travel is not all junkets. THIS AFFECTS A LOT OF LIVELIHOODS! Airlines and hotels are not the only ones hurt when Wells Fargo (or anyone else) cancels a meeting. That call center in your home town may lose jobs. The food manufacturer may lose sales. And as Mr. Brown points out - WFM partners don't learn how to NOT get us into this situation again!

Doug Posted On 2/7/2009 12:45:29 PM

And Congress raised all the fuss about WF's "junket" as each party prepared for the "retreat" to a high priced resort. Let's see some better examples of "change we can believe in"! I am not a huge WF fan, but I believe it was wrong for the WF execs to be pressured into cancelling the event in Vegas. For a company the size of Wells, this provided a chance to recognize top performers (as they define them) from across the company, bring them in for additional training and motivation, and inspire those who didn't get to go to work harder/smarter to achieve goals as layed out by the company. If Congress doesn't want the event to occur, or wants to meddle with the criteria used to determine who the top producers are, that should occur going forward, not as a take-a-way from the people who worked to meet the pre-defined targets set out for 2008. And as I understand it, WF didn't want to accept TARP dollars, but was basically forced into it as a show that both hurting and strong banks (at the time) were accepting TARP funds. Another new oxy-moron: We're from Congress and we're here to help you run your bank". Crazy.

wrk Posted On 2/8/2009 2:30:48 PM

You are right to point out the "breathless" socialist children who make up today's media. They look for words ( Las Vegas, charter flight etc.) to be frantic about and then blow things completely off course. Politicians feed on this, but few media or political swine have even a basic understanding of how to actually run anything for a profit.

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Brian Crouch Posted On 2/9/2009 10:53:17 AM

Wells Fargo should have said to Congress: "We'll cancel our sales meeting in Vegas when you cancel your retreat." WFC should have held firm, and said it is none of the govts' business how this company chooses to incentivize productivity.

sarah Posted On 2/11/2009 12:50:18 AM

I so agree--it seems to me that we are getting into government run banking or socialism--not good

martyhawk Posted On 2/11/2009 10:24:51 PM

All I know is that if ANYONE had the right to keep up with as much businsess as usual it's Wells. They ran their bank well and were compelled to take the TARP money, and they've been paying interest on it. The folks in Congress are as complicit as anyone for this mess. This just makes me sick..To paraphrase a rather recently oft-mentioned phrase, the job of the Finance Committee in the House of Representatives is to shoot the wounded after the battle. Guess it made the workers in Las Vegas feel pretty good after they had to be laid off with all the events being cancelled. If Wells had held theirs, who knows who could've kept their job. And why has the reps and Senators of the great state of Las Vegas been eerily quiet. Ugh is the word to describe it.

JJ Posted On 2/12/2009 2:50:45 PM

Tom - as someone who has worked in the meeting and convention business for over 20 years I can tell you that my industry is in an unprecedented state of collapse. The braying of the press and the hypocrisy of our camera hogging elected scolds, not the downturn, are the reason. The ‘blood in the water’ reporting of the media has left businesses in every sector asking if a meeting is worth the inevitable PR hit that will follow. The same officials who drove our economy off the cliff are now lecturing profitable enterprises on the ‘proper’ way to spend their money. Meetings and Conventions generate over $250B a year in economic activity. Washington and, from his own mouth, Obama – are killing this industry. This is Stimulus?

andrea michaels Posted On 2/12/2009 3:56:24 PM

Thank you and AMEN!

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Here here! Bravo... and thank you for taking the time to speak the obvious. Meetings motivate. Meetings inform. Meetings produce results.

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Meeting Maven Posted On 2/12/2009 5:22:45 PM

Tom- I couldn't agree more! I am a meeting producer of 27 years and I have seen the value of these meetings too. The assumptions made by the press and Congress about business meeting purposes have resulted in the cancellation of endless events. Numerous business owners are not holding meetings for fear of misinterpretation of their purpose. The affect on the meeting production, hospitality and travel industries is devastating. Layoffs and closures abound within these industries and the client companies that previously held the meetings. We are further collapsing our economy based on assumptions by misinformed individuals whose voices are unfortunately loud. The micromanaging of banks has now had a devasting effect well beyond the financial industry. The damage is being done to exactly the people that Congress expects the banks to help. There will now be more home foreclosures to deal with.

Scott Posted On 2/13/2009 10:49:13 PM

It is so crazy that they worry about what some of the banks are doing but it's alright to spend 248 Million dollars for new furniture for HomeLand Security. Do they really need new furniture?

Junkett's are good! Posted On 2/16/2009 4:58:57 PM

I think the hospitality industry will be lining up for there bailout funds soon.

Joe  Posted On 2/19/2009 1:03:14 PM

Campbell Brown is a political HACK - who can ONLY read a script

Kathy Posted On 2/20/2009 12:37:34 AM

Excellent article. I also liked the following commentary from an email sent to a news outlet: http://www.onmilwaukee.com/politics/articles/jaglerblog021809.html?page=1 There are several banks who took the money because the government basically said "take this money or we'll say you are one of the bad ones." Also, who wouldn't capitalize their business at a lower rate if they could? Everyone forgets to mention that the banks are PAYING for this money...a little over 5%. The government is MAKING money on the deal. For banks to leave cheaper money on the table and appear under capitalized in comparison to other banks taking the money would be a disservice to their shareholders. Several companies cancelled their reward trips for their top performers. A lot of media outlets and the government want the general public to think that the people attending these meetings are over paid executives. In reality, the people attending these meetings are, in most cases, modestly paid employees (making well below $100 K/year) who have worked extremely hard. These are the employees that made money for the bank the previous year. What??? Some may say...banks MADE money last year? Yes, just because they did not make as MUCH as they did in the previous year, as long as the earnings don't have a minus sign before them, the banks did make money. Many of these banks still paid (and some increased) the dividend to shareholders. So what is happening is exactly what you described...the everyday worker is being punished after working hard and earning a reward. Are we in the business of promoting mediocrity in America now? Last time I checked, when you work hard and do well, you are rewarded. These people could not have afforded to take such a trip on their dime, so it is a very motivating and rewarding part of their job. Bankers on the front line are not making a ton of money in their salary. These trips are highly motivating tools the banks use to promote ex

Kathy Posted On 2/20/2009 1:02:15 AM

continued.....extremely high performing individuals. As a matter of fact, in most cases with lenders, part of the judging criteria to name them a "top performer" is based on the credit quality of the loans they put on the books that year. So, the companies are in fact rewarding people who have done the right thing for the company and the client. Another fact is that these trips were paid for last year in most cases...before any government money was handed out. Someone needs to release the true facts about everything. The media claims that banks have been the bad guy; let's scrunitnize them for a few minutes. They are the ones giving "half truths" to the general public. Tell the WHOLE story, not just the "doom and gloom" that sells so well! I'm ashamed of them! I wonder what those "top performing" broadcasters make and what their bonuses look like??? Probably better than the bankers they are scrutinizing. The media and congress are succeeding in keeping the economy down; GREAT JOB! They have now managed to punish the everyday, high performing worker, as well as the tourism industry in several areas. Thanks, guys...you are doing such a good job to stimulate the economy. Socialism here we come (unfortunately)....

Robert Parker Posted On 2/20/2009 2:31:04 PM

These so called "Junkets" have official educational substance for all participants. Each meeting and conference held are responsible for the livelihoods of thousands of families through there participation as Event Producers, Stage Managers, Technical Directors, Graphic Editors, Audio / Video Engineers, Technical Assistants, Teleprompter Operators, Project Managers, Party Planners (Yes there needs to be lunch and evening dinners with entertainment who work all day and produce positive incomes for corporations). We can't forget there are layers of support personnel who are effected when these meetings are cancelled. I hadn't mentioned earlier the people who include the banquet personel

Robert Parker Posted On 2/20/2009 2:48:39 PM

These so called "Junkets" have official educational substance for all participants. Each meeting and conference held are responsible for the livelihoods of thousands of families through there participation as Event Producers, Stage Managers, Technical Directors, Graphic Editors, Audio / Video Engineers, Technical Assistants, Teleprompter Operators, Project Managers, Party Planners (Yes there needs to be lunch and evening dinners with entertainment who work all day and produce positive incomes for corporations). We can't forget there are layers of support personnel who are effected when these meetings are cancelled. I hadn't mentioned earlier the people who include the banquet personnel; food preparers, waitresses and waters, hotel staff; Bell Desk Attendants, Front Desk Personnel, House Keeping.... So many more are effected by the trickle down effect of the "Short Sighted Judgements" of "Opinionated Individuals and Elected Officials" who they themselves are responsible for todays economy. Fix the problems without PORK or perhaps, "We The People', should better evaluate the performance of our elected officials! Health Care, why does a Congressman or Senator receive benefits any different from any other citizen? Perhaps if our elected officials did receive the same benefits the system would get the attention necessary to fix it..........................
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